Allie Brosh is the creator of the popular webcomic Hyperbole and a Half. The comic, which mostly deals with funny stories from the author’s childhood as well as touching on more serious subjects, like her ongoing battle with depression, is intentionally drawn to look like something a child would create using Microsoft Paint, and has a devoted following with almost 400,000 likes on Facebook. A print version entitled Hyperbole and a Half: Unfortunate Situations, Flawed Coping Mechanisms, Mayhem, and Other Stuff that Happened is out now.
This interview first appeared on Wired.com’s The Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy podcast, which is hosted by John Joseph Adams and David Barr Kirtley. Visit geeksguideshow.com to listen to the entire interview and the rest of the show, in which the hosts discuss various geeky topics.
Since you do a comic, one problem we have with doing an audio podcast is that we can’t show people what the comic looks like. But I think many, many people who don’t know your name or the name of the comic would recognize it visually if they saw it because the pictures appear everywhere.
Yeah, it’s become a meme.
It occurred to me that you must run into this problem just when you’re talking to people, right? Do you have some way of describing your comic to people in words so that they’re like, “Oh yeah, I know that comic.”
There’s a crudely drawn character who has a triangle ponytail thing on top of its head; it’s yellow, and then there’s sort of a pink, tube dress. It’s got really buggy eyes and squiggly arms. That’s the thing that I draw. I also draw dogs.
I was thinking maybe like a stick figure with a fish face maybe?
Sort of tadpole-like, right? A stick figure tadpole-like thing that’s vaguely humanoid, but also vaguely tadpole-y.
Hopefully a lot more people now know what we’re talking about. You mentioned that your comic has inspired a lot of memes. Do you want to say what some of those memes are that people might recognize?
The “All the Things,” the “X all the Y” meme that came from a post that I did. The “Alot.” There have been a couple of pictures. Every now and then they’ll circulate, but the big one is the “X all the Y.”
Do you want to explain a little bit more about what that is?
It came from a story where I’m talking about how I struggle with adulthood, and I periodically make conquests on adulthood, or make an attempt at it, and it’s always very involved. So I decided one day I’m going to just change everything about myself and start doing everything on time: paying bills on time, going to the grocery store and getting healthy food, learning how to cook well, and I’m going to clean everything. Basically try to change everything at once, and because I was doing that, I can’t change anything because it all comes crashing down. You have to take baby steps. Anyway, one of the frames was where I’m so motivated in trying to do all these things, and there’s a picture of my character standing there holding a broom and yelling, “Clean all the things!”
People have done all sorts of variations on this. I read your Ask Me Anything (AMA) that you did on Reddit, and someone mentioned that this has even appeared in Warcraft. Where did it appear on Warcraft?
I did not know it had made an appearance in Warcraft. That’s crazy.
How about the “Alot” one? Why don’t you tell us about that?
The “Alot” is a monster I invented because of a grammatical mistake that people sometimes make where they take the phrase “a lot” and make it one word. I like to imagine a monster when people say that. They will say, “Wow, they’re charging alot.” I imagine an alot monster charging directly at them. It just helps me cope with grammar mistakes, I suppose.
That one drives me crazy too. Have you considered doing a monster called the “All right” where it’s like “alright” as one word?
“All right”—I only recently learned how that’s supposed to go. “Awhile”—that one’s got some peculiar rules to it.
You could have a whole monster manual. Monsters starting with A—
There’s an idea. “Grammatical mistakes monsters.”
One of your memes showed up unauthorized on a bus ad. What’s the story with that?
I haven’t had a chance to deal with that yet. I’ve been so busy doing book stuff. I’ve just finished dealing with a billboard that 7-11 Mexico ran that was using the same image, and we had to be like, “Hey, that’s not okay.” We don’t want to set a bad precedent, where I just let anybody use this thing to promote whatever they want. So we had to say, “Hey guys, this isn’t okay.” We got lawyers involved and everything, and that was a long process that I am dreading repeating, but we’ll get to that after all the book stuff has settled down.
You mentioned that people have even used some of your memes to promote causes that you disagree with. What have been some of those?
There was one that was like “Save all the babies.” It was used on a pro-life site. I didn’t really enjoy that one. It’s been used as hateful stuff against gay marriage. I am totally in support of gay marriage, so I cringe at my character being used in that way, to promote something that oppresses people.
In those cases, is there anything you can do?
If I did that to every site, if I tried to go out and find every instance where that happened, I would be doing nothing but doing that. It takes so long to send them a cease and desist letter, and if they don’t cease and desist, then to proceed with legal action. It’s such an involved thing that it would take all of my time, and I wouldn’t be able to write or do anything other than just that.
We certainly want you spending time writing. You mentioned that you’ve just turned your blog into a print book. Do you want to tell us about that process?
After the blog became popular on the internet, I was contacted by my literary agent Monica, and we started the process of creating a book. I took some of the stories from the blog and added eleven new stories. So there’s seven old stories and eleven new ones, and it’s just the same stuff that’s on my website. It’s illustrated sort of like standup comedy in writing form. That’s the best way I’ve found to describe what I do.
Doing the new stories for the book, was that a different process than doing the ones for the internet?
Nope, exactly the same. I got more efficient toward the end of it because I had to learn how to do away with stuff. I would start drawing the pictures before I was done writing all the text, and then if I decided to restructure the story or focus on a different aspect of it, I would have to scrap all of these days’ worth of pictures. There were some posts where I would get rid of maybe three hundred pictures that I’d drawn by the end of it. I had to streamline it a little bit and learn how to be more efficient in writing and really hammering out the story before I start drawing and before I commit ink to paper or digital ink to digital paper.
The books dedication begins “For Scott. What now, fucker?” What’s the story behind that?
Scott is a friend of mine, and he is very pranky. That was retaliation for a prank he pulled on me.
What was the prank he pulled on you?
He stole my car and cleaned it, and then left a note in it that said, “This vehicle has been confiscated by the Oregon Department of Health for sanitation.” It was very funny and very nice. So I decided to retaliate in the same vein. My book’s dedicated to him, but it’s still sort of like, “Yeah, fucker, you got yours.” This is my way of retaliating.
Do you have a particularly messy car, I guess? Or you used to before it got cleaned?
This was after a road trip I had taken, and so I was living out of my car pretty much. It got quite messy. There were, like, food wrappers in the passenger seat. It wasn’t disgusting, but it was definitely not a clean car. I don’t wash cars that often because it just gets dirty again.
I also have a very dirty car, so I’m not going to judge you.
Some people might judge you for swearing as much as you do in this comic that kind of looks like it’s for children at first glance. What have been some of the most extreme reactions you’ve gotten to your constant swearing?
I wouldn’t call it constant. Maybe once or twice per post, if that. There’s often not even any profanity at all. I use it quite judiciously, but I think that swear words are sort of like a fine spice. You can’t use them too much, but they punch up the flavor of the writing a little bit. You need that for humor; sometimes you need to just have that word in there for the tempo of it.
I think “motherfucker” is one of the funniest words in the English language. It’s beautiful to me. I don’t know. I’ve had people write very angry emails being like, “You don’t need to do this. You don’t need to say this.” What I say to them is, “I write this based on my sense of humor.” The things that make me laugh are the only barometer I can really use, and I’m not going to start pandering, and being like, “Oh, I can’t swear because it’s offensive.” It’s just words. To me they’re very funny words. I’m not actually doing anything bad. I’m not being violent or obscene, I’m just using a word that is somehow classified as a naughty word.
It’s funny that you compare swearing to spicing up food, because in the book you mention that you used to be confused about salt and pepper and how they don’t cancel each other out. I was wondering, did you ever go through a phase where you thought that “fuck” canceled out “shit” or something, and then you’re like, “Wait, no, it actually just makes it even worse.”
Maybe. I haven’t analyzed that yet. I’ll have to go back and look at my writing progression, and see if I’ve used “fucks” to cancel out “shits.”
I mentioned that I read this Ask Me Anything that you did on Reddit. It seems like you spend a lot of time on Reddit. Is that accurate?
Yeah, I do. Reddit is my preferred procrastination device. I spend a lot of time there. I don’t spend a lot of time logged into my main account anymore just because I’ll try to make a comment, and I don’t like being visible as me all the time. People have me tagged on there; there’s a feature where you can tag people so you know who they are later, and it flags your attention, like, “Oh, this is this person.” Sometimes I like just being totally anonymous, so I have an alternate account that I use and it’s sort of fun. I get to test out humor and try to see how many up votes I can get with a funny comment, and that helps me with my writing process to do that. To see what works and what doesn’t. It’s actually a great tool for comedy.
What’s the name of your alternate account?
I can’t tell you. I’m sorry.
Ah! Almost got you there.
One place you popped up on Reddit was in the No Sleep subreddit where you posted this really creepy short story called “Cologne.” What was the story behind that?
I actually read a lot of horror, and I think that there are some great parallels between horror and comedy. They both rely a lot on suspense, and building tension, and then releasing it. This was an exercise that I wanted to do. I wanted to actually try to write horror, and see how much suspense I could build.
It was a good writing exercise for me. I wrote this creepy story that was based on my worst fears, and the suspense came from all of my safety checks that I use to combat these fears. I tried to undermine those. If I lock my house, then the killer gets in through an unlocked door or a door that didn’t quite latch right. It’s basically about somebody breaking through all the things that make me think I’m safe. It’s not me—the narrator isn’t me necessarily—but this character is living out my greatest fears.
You really do do those safety checks, like checking to make sure there’s not a serial killer. You say in the book you actually pull over on the side of the road every once in a while just to make sure there’s not a serial killer hiding in the backseat of your car.
I actually used to be a lot more anxious and paranoid before I became depressed, but my depression has cured me of a lot of my anxiety by making me not care as much. I’m not quite that way anymore. I’m much less fearful now.
You also say in the book that you watched The Texas Chainsaw Massacre while your parents thought you were asleep, and you were hiding behind the couch watching it.
I’m not actually sure if it was The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I actually don’t know the name of the movie I watched. I used The Texas Chainsaw Massacre because that was a well-recognized movie. With that one I don’t actually remember the name of the movie it was, but it was terrifying.
Did you watch a lot of horror movies? Are you a horror movie fan?
I do now. I went through a phase where I was really scared of them, and I wouldn’t watch them, but I really do enjoy horror movies, and I enjoy reading horror as well. I read a lot of Stephen King in my formative years. When I was like eleven and twelve, I was reading Pet Sematary.
What horror authors would you have been reading lately?
I actually haven’t read a lot lately. I don’t read other authors while I’m writing because I find that when I read someone else’s writing while I’m trying to write I sort of start writing in their voice. And that’s harmful because later it doesn’t sound like me, it sounds like them. I’ve had to go on a reading hiatus. Then I’ve been so busy since I finished the book that I haven’t had a chance to sit down and really, really read. I’ve started to reread Douglas Adams’s Hitchhiker’s Guide series, but that’s not horror, that’s comedy.
Since we’re The Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy podcast, obviously we’re well acquainted with Douglas Adams.
Oh, I didn’t make that connection. That’s awesome.
My parents owned the original BBC radio drama of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, and we would listen to that on car trips, so I’ve listened to it like fifty times or something like that.
That’s amazing. Very cool.
Speaking of that, it was interesting, we actually talked about Douglas Adams back in episode forty-two of our podcast.
My co-host—who couldn’t join us tonight—and his wife were both on, and they both said that as teenagers that they both went through very difficult times in their lives, and that reading Douglas Adams really helped them get through that. I was wondering if you felt that way at all.
It wasn’t during a difficult time in my life that I was reading it. I think I started reading Douglas Adams maybe in seventh grade, and I do remember laughing so hard that I couldn’t breathe and being legitimately concerned that I was going to die. I was sitting in the back of my mom’s car. We were picking my sister up from some after-school activity that she was doing, and my mom left to go inside to pick up my sister. I was sitting in the back of the car reading Hitchhiker’s Guide; I think it was the part with the whale falling out of the sky, and I was laughing so hard that I couldn’t breathe, and I kept thinking about it, and it kept making me laugh more, so that I couldn’t stop laughing. I remember being like, “Oh my god, I hope my mom comes back, because this is really turning into an emergency situation.”
That’s like a horror story. Someone dies from laughing so hard.
See, horror and comedy, lots of parallels.
Have you written any other prose fiction besides that “Cologne” story?
I used to write all the time when I was a kid. I wrote these gigantic monstrosities about these heroic men fighting things. My main character was named Jathem, like a very manly warrior name. He would just wander around, and find different things to fight, and then fight them, and continue wandering around until he found more things to fight. That was pretty much the storyline for every single thing that I wrote in this series of “books.” That was my first assault on literature. I’d play around with it. I’d write things every now and then; there’s nothing that I’ve finished. I’m bad at finishing things. I was very happy to actually finish my book.
That Jathem thing that you mentioned, that was sort of an epic fantasy story?
Yeah, something like that. I read a lot of Tolkien growing up, so I was very into the Aragorn-type characters. Those were my idols. I very much wanted to be a fearsome warrior.
You would describe yourself just overall as a fantasy and science fiction fan?
I probably haven’t read a whole lot recently but I enjoy fantasy. I play Magic: The Gathering. I do enjoy fantasy quite a lot. I would like to take a stab at actually, legitimately writing it someday. We’ll see if that comes to fruition.
Just reading some of your stuff, it sounds like you’re really pretty hardcore into Magic: The Gathering. I just played it a little bit when it first came out, and I didn’t even understand half the stuff you were talking about. It was so arcane.
That’s sort of my relaxing thing that I do; I get online and play Magic. I’ll get online and join a draft queue and play for like nine hours in a row. Just play and play. I have obviously far-fetched dreams of, “Oh, I want to be a professional Magic player.” Because that’s clearly what you do when you try to take on any new calling, is to try to be the best at it, right?
You go on YouTube and watch people play Magic?
I watch Twitch.tv streams, so I watch players play there. There’s different sites. There’s Star City Games and Channel Fireball, and I watch videos that they put out. Then, for YouTube, there’s old tournament videos that I’ll sometimes watch or archived Channel Fireball videos. I watch a lot of Magic.
Could you say some Magic stuff that would sound like gibberish to me, but would totally prove your cred to the hardcore Magic crowd?
Oh, gosh, I don’t know. Coming up with it on the spot is sort of difficult. I’ve been trying to make a bug deck work. Bug is a term for a blue/black/green deck, and basically you use disruption cards like Thoughtseize to disrupt your opponent’s game plan and feed your graveyard, which you can then use as a source of card advantage with cards like Snapcaster Mage and Tarmogoyf. Then it’s sort of scary because you’ve got bobs in there, and they’re always trying to get your life total, but then you have Deathrite Shamans to gain it back. It’s good against combo decks because you can disrupt their game plan, but it’s also good against more fair decks because you have enough removal and enough hand deception and counterspells to deal with those decks as well. Does that sound jargony?
Yeah, that was perfect—I have no idea what you’re talking about.
It wasn’t very eloquent. It was jargony, but not very eloquent. To somebody who plays Magic that would seem very rudimentary, I feel like. Like, “Well, yeah, that’s how bug works, of course.”
You mentioned earlier that you moved from anxiety when you were younger to depression in more recent years. You have these two really, really amazingly good comics that you did about depression. I’ve seen a lot of people, including clinical psychologists, say that this comic presents the best explanation of clinical depression of anything they’ve ever seen. I was wondering, do you think that we should throw out all psychology textbooks and just replace them with your comics instead?
I think that those are useful. I certainly learned stuff in psychology textbooks to help me understand myself well enough to explain it. I think that a lot of people who write psychology textbooks maybe haven’t been depressed, or if they have, maybe they didn’t approach it in quite the same way I did where I tried to fix everything from the ground up. I had this really intense way to cure my own brain. I tried to figure it out, like nothing that anyone was saying was helping me, so I was like, “Well, I have to go in here and try to figure out how to explain it better so that I can get better help.” And it’s sort of a result of that.
A lot of people responded very powerfully to that on Reddit. Do any of the responses that you’ve gotten to those comics stick out in your mind?
There’ve been a few, and they’re mostly like personal messages and emails where I’ll talk to people. I’ve talked to people who are suicidal at the time they wrote me in the message. We’ve talked about it, and I’ve spent late nights staying up with people who are suicidal just talking and trying to figure out how to keep them from killing themselves. It’s tough because you don’t want to delegitimize their feelings—if someone wants to kill themselves you can’t be like, “Well, just don’t,” because that takes away any of the legitimacy of what they’re going through, and makes it feel like, “Well, you don’t understand,” and that’s a tough thing.
There’re always these questions of, “If you don’t know me, why should I keep going?” There’s no real answer to that that doesn’t sound super Hallmark-y and cheesy or just bullshit basically. So I’ve stayed up very, very late just talking it out and figuring things out with people, but those are the ones that stick out the most to me. Probably the more real discussions I’ve had with people over email or personal message.
These are people, they just contact you through your website or something?
It happens sometimes where I’ll get messages on Reddit, and then a couple people have contacted me through an email account I have linked to on my blog. I get a lot of mail so I can’t read everything, but sometimes I’ll catch these ones that will be like, “Help, I don’t know what to do.” I try my best to actually help.
Do different sorts of emails that you’ve gotten also stick out for you among all the fan mail that you get?
I’ve gotten some really funny emails. I’m trying to think of any particular ones that really, really stand out. When I was really depressed, actually, a group of my readers got together and made me a quilt and sent it to me in the real mail. That really stuck out.
Were these all people who lived in the same area?
No, it came from all over. They knitted or crocheted different squares and then sent them from all over. There’s even one from Iceland in there. It was incredible. It was a great project.
What does the quilt look like?
It’s very colorful and there are all these different knitted and crocheted squares that have been sewn together. There’s one of the “Alot”; there’s a heart on it; there’s a really cool one where it looks like there’s text on it, but you can only see it when looking at it from a side angle because of the way the yarn is raised up, the specific knitting pattern they used. It’s really cool. I have it on my bed. Not right now, because I’m traveling, but it’s on the bed at home.
That would be funny if you just took the quilt with you everywhere you went.
I’d be afraid I would lose it. I tend to leave things behind in hotel rooms, so I don’t take anything that really, really matters.
You’ve also talked about, in addition to the depression, that you were treated recently for endometriosis, and I think a lot of people don’t even know what that is. Do you want to talk about that?
It’s sort of crappy that it’s like that. There’s not a lot of research. Even scientists and doctors don’t really entirely understand endometriosis, and the pathology of it, why it happens. Basically, we didn’t know it was endometriosis until the surgeon opened me up and took everything out. They thought it was cancer prior to that, so it’s sort of scary. But after they opened me up, they found that everything in my pelvic region and my abdominal cavity was scarred together. What happens is, I get cysts on my ovaries that are basically like giant blood balloons, and then they burst, and it’s this horrible, appendicitis-like pain where there’s violent immediate reactions, there’s fluid in your abdominal cavity that’s not supposed to be there, so there’s a lot of inflammation and incredible amounts of pain. Because of all that inflammation, scar tissue starts to form, and so my organs were all scarred together and fused into a tangled mass. The surgeon had to undo that, and then take out my uterus and ovaries; I have one ovary, I’m hoping that it will be scared into submission because all of its friends were brutally murdered in front of it.
You said that you went to a number of doctors who didn’t take your complaint seriously, right?
I got a lot of hand waving and, “Oh, it’s just cramps, sweetheart. We all go through that.” It made me feel like maybe I’m just being a big baby about it, but there were times where I was throwing up and passing out because it hurt so bad, and I couldn’t deal with this happening every month. This would be three days of agony and not being able to get up. If I stood up for any length of time my legs would give out, they’d start shaking and I wouldn’t be able to stand anymore because it hurt so bad. So that’s not normal, and I would try to explain that to doctors, and they’d usually be like, “Well, we don’t know what’s going on.” I’d been evaluated for appendicitis. I’d gotten probably four CT scans because doctors thought I had appendicitis. They didn’t realize that endometriosis is a thing that can be crippling.
Is there anything that you just want people to know, people who might be in this situation that you were in when you didn’t know what was wrong with you?
Don’t let doctors treat you like you’re faking it. I went into the emergency room once because I was in such horrible pain; I didn’t know what was wrong with me—I thought that there was something seriously wrong inside of me. They thought that I was just looking for drugs, and so they didn’t take it seriously. They did an exam and then they sent me home with some drugs, but they thought that that’s what I was after.
Be more assertive about your pain, and describe it, and if you are experiencing this particular brand of agony, you really need to be an advocate for yourself so that you get the care you need, and get a doctor who really takes you seriously. There were some things that happened to me where I could have died. So if you have something that seems to be related to your lady parts, and it seems really dangerous and scary and painful, get it diagnosed, don’t settle and feel like maybe you were being a big baby, because you probably aren’t.
In one of the stories in the book, you describe how you have these conflicting aspects of your personality. For example, you would simultaneously see yourself as a skeptic, but also imagine that you have a very pretty aura. Skepticism is something I’m interested in, so I’m wondering, was that completely a joke, or do you see yourself as a skeptic at all?
I’m definitely a skeptic, but there’s still a part of me that’s just this really selfish, greedy part that isn’t rational at all. If somebody starts talking about auras, that part pipes up and is like, “Oh my god, I bet I have the prettiest aura.”
What about just in general, when it comes to ghosts, psychics, and horoscopes?
No, I’m not a believer in those. I’m an atheist. I’m totally skeptical. I rely more on science and logic than the more metaphysical stuff. It’s still fun to talk about, but I don’t believe in any of it.
Is that how you grew up?
My mom was very spiritual and metaphysical, and she was always trying to tell me how I could straighten out my energy. She’s into that whole The Secret philosophy of positive thinking, like you create things with your thoughts. It’s funny sometimes, because she thinks that I’m very negative. I’m like, “No, mom, things are just shitty. That’s the way they are. I’m not panicking about it.” I don’t have to be any more negative than necessary, but it doesn’t hurt to look at things being shitty. You don’t have to hide behind this panicked shield of positivity all the time.
That was something I thought was really interesting when we were talking about The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, because that’s sort of the whole message behind The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy in a way. You don’t have to pretend that the universe makes sense or is a nicer place than it is. When you accept it for what it is, it’s still kind of funny.
Exactly, it’s funny and it doesn’t have to be scary. Like, there’re so many things that seem scary, and people’s automatic inclination is: “Well, I don’t want to be negative about it, so I’m just going to be positive.” If you’re being attacked by a bear, it doesn’t do you any good to pretend that you aren’t being attacked by a bear. You’re much more prepared if you can acknowledge this is happening—“The bear is attacking me, what do I do?”—than to sit there and pretend, “Oh, well, maybe the bear is being friendly. Maybe the bear isn’t a bear, maybe it’s a happy unicorn rainbow thing.”
What are you working on now? Do you have any other blog posts in the works or another book or anything?
I’ve been working on a whole collection of blog posts. I’m working on a whole group of them now with the intention of publishing another book and also using some of them for blog posts.
There’s a couple about the dogs. And there’s one about my crazy Aunt Laurie.
There’s also one about a friend of mine and me; we invented this game called “Doggie Detective” when we were kids. We were detectives who were inexplicably dogs, and we would try to solve different crimes. How many crimes are there around an elementary school? We had to make up our own mayhem to solve. We weren’t the forces of good that we thought we were going to be. We ended up having to make mischief to then solve and be heroes.
Then on Reddit, your husband mentioned you’re working on “Depression, Part 3.”
I am working on that one. There’re so many parts to depression, there’s so many things you can say about it because it’s just this big thing, it becomes your entire life. In part three, I’m describing the aftermath and what it’s like living. It’s not cured. I’m still depressed. It comes and goes. It becomes more depressed and less depressed, but I still consider myself depressed. And so what that’s like, what it’s like living with it.
There’s a little bit of horror in there, in a comedic tone of course, but I have enjoyed it so far, writing about it. What it’s like trying to motivate yourself after you’ve found out that you can live in total squalor and you don’t die; there’s nothing bad that actually happens to you, so some of that fear that I used to motivate myself isn’t there anymore, and that’s what I’ve been struggling with. Just stuff like that, about the more day-to-day aspects of depression and what it’s like actually living with it.
The format of this show is that we do an interview and then we have a panel discussion afterward, and the panel discussion is going to be on comic strips. So I was wondering, after people read your blog and your book, what other comic strips or webcomics should they go check out?
There’s this one that I’ve always wanted to plug because I think it’s brilliant. It’s called Romantically Apocalyptic. It’s a webcomic and the writer says a lot with very little. The humor is fantastic and subtle. The art is beautiful. I can’t say enough good things about it.
It’s about relationships?
No, it’s a post-apocalyptic comic. It’s about this guy called The Captain, and he’s just this post-apocalyptic guy. One brilliant thing about it is, because the characters are all wearing gas masks, you can’t see any actual facial expressions, so the creator has to get really creative with how he exhibits emotion in his characters.
Unfortunately, we’re just about out of time here, so I think we’re going to have to wrap things up there.
I hope that was somewhat verbally fluent. I feel like I’m falling apart at this point in the interview schedule, where everything comes out rapidly and partially deformed.
I think our listeners should understand that you’ve done about thirty interviews today or something. It was great. I really enjoyed talking to you and good luck on your next thirty interviews that you have to do.
Thank you so much.
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